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Disastrous Primary Outcome in Illinois -- Could it happen in Alabama?

by: mooncat

Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 00:17:05 AM CST


GOP conveniently discloses unsavory past of Democrat -- immediately after he wins primary.

Scott Lee Cohen sold himself to Democratic primary voters as a shining example of integrity, transparency and business acumen. "Scott is prepared to bring his professional and life experience to the office of lieutenant governor," declared his campaign Web site.

From the earliest stages of his campaign, Cohen says, he was up front about two issues rarely seen in a successful political candidate: His business as a pawnbroker and domestic battery charges, later dismissed, involving a girlfriend.

But his vague account of the battery case fell apart a day after his Democratic primary victory when an examination of the police record portrayed a more troubling picture than what the candidate offered.

The ex-girlfriend is a convicted prostitute and there's a police report where she accuses Cohen of holding a knife to her throat -- just a minor detail Cohen neglected to tell voters before the primary.  He also neglected to mention being sued for back taxes, failing to pay utilities and a host of other, shall we say, character issues.

His ex-wife accused him of being a serial cheat who shot up illegally obtained steroids, physically abused her and failed to pay child support even as he spent millions of dollars of his own money to get elected. .

Democratic leaders got a serious case of buyer's remorse and called on him to quit the November ticket.

The time to do this is before electing the guy as the nominee, folks.  

Could this happen in Alabama?  Damned right it could. 

Candidates are not likely to police themselves (see Edwards, John) and do you really think the Alabama press corps gives a damn if the Democratic party nominates someone with skeletons in his closet? 

No, they do not.  Caveat emptor -- and if the Republican gets a free ride in November, that's just gravy.

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A big ol' amen (4.00 / 2)
to your comments, mooncat.

Money may be the Mother's milk of politics, but it is the arsenic of Democracy.

Something to think about.... (4.00 / 2)

If we've heard rumours, chances are more that even that the repubs have heard them too.  And they will use them. 

There are some questions I'd like to see asked.



Cohen is not dead (0.00 / 0)

And have you considered that possibly all these people are coming out against him now because they've been paid to? It's not like Alabama is a stranger to this. As I recall someone paid a prostitute to say a whole bunch of things about Windom in the campaign that turned out to be lies.

 And what does this guys past matters if he has reformed. Most common people don't have sterling lives. Most voters weren't 4.0 students at Ivy Leagues, most voters aren't in the Junior League or Rotary Club. And a large portion of the voting public do come from backgrounds that could be classed as dysfunctional.

 This is bad, No question. However, there is a way to spin this to ensure that Cohen wins a very large victory. Basically, if he's honest and ties it into how he is one of the people and how all people make mistakes, etc, not only will he come out of it but he will become a folk hero to working people in Illinois. He may always be hated by the well-heeled lakefront Chicago set, but the people in South Chicago and the flight suburbs will admire him and throw in with him.

 And this was obviously brought up as a Sparks reference. Apparently Davis backers aren't that confident about Davis's ability to win the primary or else they wouldn't be on a constant drumbeat about how bad Sparks is. My advice to them is this. Be careful for what you wish for. Just because Sparks goes doesn't mean Davis has a free ride. There is still two months to qualifying and you might be surprised who could be drudged up if Sparks is knocked out.



Sparks is Careless (0.00 / 0)

and continues to make mistake after mistake.  As a Davis "backer" I am completely confident that he can win the primary against Sparks or any other fabricated candidate that Montgomery can attempt to create.  We will continue to pound Sparks on the streets neighborhood by neighborhood and will make sure the Repugs have to pull out every tool in their limited arsenals.  Unlike Sparks, Davis is not afraid of his own shadow and knows what he can do to move Alababama forward.

Most importantly Sparks is not as squeeky clean as he should be at this level.  Any revelations revealed that are detremental to him will be his own doing if he doesnt stick to the issues.  This is a serious time calling serious leaders.



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Because of course Alabama likes squeaky clean... (4.00 / 1)

Because they showed in 1954, 1970, 1974 and so on....

 No, not hardly. Alabamians only demand complete perfection from a candidate if he runs as a sainted knight of a candidate. That's why Baxley's affair did him in. It was not so much that he had it but the way in which he had presented himself as Mr. Clean and then proceeded to act arrogantly throughout 1986 did him in.

 Folsom survived his affair. Wallace was known to have cheated on Lurleen numerous times in the 1958-62 period and never had anything negative come of it. He married Cornelia and nothing negative came up from it, even though well heeled urban women thought him a cad for "how he treated Lurleen"

 And you're obviously talking with that woman he's sleeping with. Unless you find evidence that he has had a gay affair or is selling meth out of a truck you aren't going to break his campaign in North Alabama because if there has ever been a representation of North Alabama in a statewide race it is Ron Sparks, for whatever good or bad that entails.



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You seem to know something about it jacool. (4.00 / 1)

Please elaborate.  I'm right there with you about Sparks and I also think there is a very stupid thing for the Davis camp to do.  Davis is not squeaky clean; this is damn foolish.



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Just repeating what I've seen on this site (0.00 / 0)
Where people have said he has this woman he's sleeping with.

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Is he not currently unmarried? (4.00 / 1)

So he is sleeping with his girlfriend or something?  Who gives a shit?  I mean are we going to ask Artur Davis whether he and his wife consummated their relationship before they took their vows?  No.  We are not nor should we. 

This is stupid and politically dangerous for Artur Davis.  He is not perfect and I have the feeling that, unless there is something much worse than currently hinted at, Alabamians would find Sparks' past actions a lot more acceptable than Davis'.



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What move are you talking about? (0.00 / 0)

"This is stupid and politically dangerous for Artur Davis."

I was talking about the media and the violent drug user in Illinois.  Jacool is talking about Ron Sparks.  How did Davis get into this?



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Which woman that who is sleeping with? (2.00 / 1)
I'd love to talk to her ... please give me another hint.

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LIA is a political site (4.00 / 2)
I watch TMZ to see who is sleeping with whom.

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And I'll add this (4.00 / 1)

If you're really not afraid that Davis could lose the primary to unnamed white candidate and you really do have a career ender on Sparks why not reveal it now? Why not reveal it now this very week and put him to rest now? Why not unless you are afraid that if you drive Sparks out they will find a white candidate who will raise money better and who could rest the nomination from Davis?

 If you really have the goods on Sparks and really believe that Davis has it no matter what then you should have no problem with spilling them now while there is still a chance for Sparks to be replaced in the primary. If what you do is wait until April after qualifying has closed all that will reek of is cowardice and rest assured whoeever Davis faces in the general will use the timing of the revelation against him.



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Honestly, it sounds like you know far more than I do (0.00 / 0)
Why don't you spill whatever it is you know while there's a chance Sparks can be replaced in the primary?

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The Issue Is.... (4.00 / 1)

There is no need for Davis to exert his campaign on sparky.  If sparky becomes desperate, which all signs point to that reality, he will do something even more stupid than his campaign has managed to do already.  Sparks can be defeated traditionally and without heavy lifting because he is so weak across many areas.  Don't insult north Alabamians especially the members of my family in the area by stating he is the the best representation for the area.  They would be insulted and think you had no knowledge of politics.

The reality is that he (Sparks) can go to his next role, whatever that may be, with dignity or without.  The choice is his.  Davis doesnt need my advice or input but I applaud his pacing in this campaign and his aggressive/effective strategy.



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The epitome of Fort Payne (0.00 / 0)

And tell me, praytell, what counties do you see Davis beating Sparks in up there? Jackson? Lauderdale? Lawrence? Cherokee?

If you have something on Sparks man up and spill the beans now. If you wait till mid April or May to push it you'll win the primary but you'll also succeed in pissing off enough people that you'll cause a party division in 2010.

 And all we're doing by talking about this constantly is putting out the idea that there may be something on Sparks. So I'll say again, if the Davis people think they have something why not roll with it? Is it that they are afraid of someone like Glen Browder or Billy Jo Camp coming in?



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Cohen admits the domestic violence (0.00 / 0)

In fact, Cohen claims he told everybody all about it when he announced for office.  Apparently the message never reached voters, though.  Cohen was well financed and his primary opponents were understandably reluctant to outright accuse him of beating his wife.  I mean, that's such a cliche, you're sure to be labeled as a mud slinger if you bring it up at all.  What I'm hearing is that they appealed to party leaders to speak out publicly against Cohen or at least lean on him privately and that didn't happen. 

Now, now that it's too late, the party folks and the top of the ticket are trying to get him to withdraw.  Fat chance.

And why do you think this was brought up as a Sparks reference?



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good question (4.00 / 1)

And why do you think this was brought up as a Sparks reference?

I keep wondering this too as I'm reading the thread - and obviously pretty late to the party going on here.

I do know - having seen it firsthand - that there's a good old boy culture in Montgomery and in the state party.  If someone's a good guy, has been hunting with you, you've know him a while, etc. etc. then unsavory behavior gets overlooked because it's "private business."

And that used to be the case among the press corps - particularly nationally - as they looked the other way over extra-marital affairs, etc.

But it's a different world.  You have different media types and newspapers that are absolutely desperate to sell papers and advertising space.  You have bloggers who don't have the same scruples and loyalties.  And you have a Republican party willing  to do pretty much anything to win.  And many of them (not all certainly) have no problem making crap up if the truth doesn't fit their talking points.

Again... I have to wonder why some immediately assumed that this was a coded anti-Sparks message because I didn't even think of him until I started reading the comments.

If you guys know something about Sparks, then - for God's sake - for the good of the party and the state - let us know.  If there's nothing, my advice is to stop bringing him up in an unrelated thread like this lest someone start wondering if there's a fire to go with all the smoke.

 



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Folsom had an out of wedlock child (4.00 / 1)

In the 1940s and a messy court case over and it was well known that all the friends he appointed to state government ended up robbing the state blind but he remained popular with the people and in 1954 they simply ignored those charges and for some, it probably brought them more to him because it showed him to be like them and made him someone they could relate to as opposed to hoi palloi Big Mules that opposed him.

 And I think it should be pointed out that all the excesses of Wallace's previous administration were well known in 1970. Stories about the corruption in his administration came out on a regular clip. Most Alabamians believed that him not running for president in '72 was a lie. And yet, when the voters were counted, Alabamians went with the questionable candidate who they connected with and who fought for them (in their own minds) over the ethically sterling by comparison and intellectual and elite darling Brewer.



Adultery and corruption may be forgiveable (4.00 / 1)

I think adultery is probably more forgiveable now than it was even in 1954, and corruption is probably less because a) social standards have changed and b) the public is somewhat better informed.

Domestic violence may also be a forgiveable offense in Alabama -- looking at the consternation in Illinois right now, I'm not convinced folks on the ground think it's in the same category as adultery there.  Speaking for myself, I think a history of domestic violence -- perhaps not a single incident, but definitely a history of repeated incidents -- would keep me from ever voting for a candidate, no matter what party and no matter how attractive otherwise.  My political leanings are rooted in the belief that every individual has worth, must be accorded basic human dignity and deserves to be treated with respect.  A person who is incapable of treating those closest to him (or her) with dignity and respect is unlikely to treat the larger public any better when in a position of power.  If you're willing to physically harm someone you love, what will you do when you have much greater powers in high public office?

Worse, someone with a secret history of adultery, domestic violence, an out of wedlock child, etc. will be vulnerable to pressure in office.  The more embarrassing or taboo the behavior, the more likely those with an agenda contrary to the public good can essentially blackmail the public servant to achieve their ends.  At least this Cohen guy doesn't seem to have any secrets left so this concern doesn't apply to him.  You can say the same for Senators Vitter, Ensign and so forth.



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Domestic Violence (4.00 / 1)
is about power and control.  We definitely don't need to elect candidates with this kind of history.

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Still stuck in the past, eh? (4.00 / 1)

It's not 1940 or even 1970.

The press loves a good scandal now. 

And you're not seriously hinting that it's ok if any of our Democratic candidates are corrupt, cheating on their spouses, or otherwise compromised are you?



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Montgomery (0.00 / 0)

Like other Southern state capitals is a place where legislators of both parties go and partake in things that they would never dream of at home. And if we're really going to go on a witchhunt to snuff out adulterers we'd probably have to kick out a large number of elected officials in Alabama in both parties, because adultery has always been a fact of life among elected men in this state.



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Who is this post directed at? (4.00 / 1)

If you guys have heard rumors, either post them or not.  Don't raise the spectre of a tainted Democratic primary winner and then not deliver.  I don't see the point of this post.



I thought it was directed at the lazy media (4.00 / 1)

Or perhaps even the overworked and understaffed media who aren't likely to do much in the way of investigation on Democrats running for high office -- any high office -- until after the primary when their publishers would be more than happy to "discover" embarrassing information that would help Republicans.  The big media in Alabama tends to lean right.

I was very surprised to wake up this morning and find that at least one vocal Sparks supporter is convinced this post was directed at Sparks.  Definitely food for thought there.



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Mooncat, I totally took it the way your wrote it. (4.00 / 2)
And now I'm wondering what the hell is going on. If someone knows something then spit it out--I don't care who the candidate is. WE HAVE TOO MUCH AT RISK PEOPLE! If there is something then it will come out in the general election and I DON"T WANT TO GO THERE.  For God's sake, for our party's sake. If there is something then either say it here, say it offline to one of the cats, or feed it to a traditional reporter. DON"T SIT ON IT.

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What made you jump to Spark's defense? (4.00 / 1)

I didn't see his name mentioned or even intimated in anything. 

Now,  I'm really wondering what might be out there.

My post on having questions concerned Marshall County, not Sparks.



Exactly Gayla (0.00 / 0)

Jacool was spooked because he knows Sparks is in trouble and even if he were to some how in a different universe defeat Davis he would not prevail no matter what.  Yes, Jacool, please share with the listening audience your concerns.  Interesting that you didn't post your usual rantings that Alabama can't elect a black candidate etc for Gov.  "Why so serious............. "



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Sparks could beat Byrne (0.00 / 0)

Because that race quickly turns to urban vs. rural. He wipes the floor with James. Probably throttles Roy too.

 And I wouldn't call the idea that the state doesn't seem likely to elect a black governor a "ranting". If anything, its a statement that a majority of Alabamians, including a majority of black Alabamians (and we know a majority of black leadership) would agree with outright. Its why black leaders spent all of 2009 trying to talk Davis out of the race.

So you think Davis defeats Sparks in a primary? First, this requires black Alabamians to completely revolt against their pastors and political leadership. Now, I can buy that happening. But it also requires Davis to pull maybe 35-40% of the white vote in the primary. That one I don't see happening. I don't see the rural North Alabama one party county that he carries in the primary. 

 

 



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Show me the Money AND (0.00 / 0)
the numbers.  Show me just one poll that indicates Sparky is in the lead, just one?  Good luck

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I, too, read it as Sparks-directed (0.00 / 0)

1. Because Mooncat has made her support for Davis reasonably evident, and has in fact made posts in the past pushing the rumors the Davis crowd has tried to traffic that,

2. Sparks has been married and divorced three or four times.  Which I checked out, using alacourt.com, and found to be as baseless as I thought they were. I did find his one divorce, from several years ago, which is what I remembered hearing about.  Given that George Wallace got married - how many times, and still won? - I don't see it as an issue.  Someone in Sparks's hometown told me that, back in the 80s when he was in local political fights, rumors were circulated by his opponents, but proven unfounded.

Perhaps most importantly, I wonder why some people want to play the personal-life-rumors game. I tend to remember something about glass houses.  Both campaigns should stick to the issues.  Sparks has taken a couple of stands I wish he hadn't, and Davis has cast a raft of Liebermanesque votes I can't tolerate.  I'd much rather hear them explain - better yet, renounce - these mistakes than chew over their personal lives.



And somehow I don't think the Davis people (0.00 / 0)
Want the speculation about him being gay and his current marriage being one for political expediency being brought about. Because that's one I had heard for a long time too.

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I heard that one too. That it was a marriage of convenience. (0.00 / 0)
The rumors seem to have died down about Davis.

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which is exactly what I meant in an earlier comment (4.00 / 1)

that many bloggers are perfecting willing to post rumours either a fact or to publicize them as "some people say" speculation.

It's not 1970 anymore.  ANYWHERE in Alabama.



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Yeah, and god forbid (4.00 / 1)

a black man who is both elegant and eloquent dare to challenge the old boys network in Alabama. 

Frankly, I wouldn't give a damn.  What counts is that he's SMART enough to deal with the here and now and look down the road to improve this state.

Casting aspersions ilike this s a sure way to to insure that we continue on the regressive path we've been on for decades.



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What regressive path? (0.00 / 0)

I'd have to say that Folsom and Wallace were two damn good governors. Folsom had many great ideas but got almost none of them accomplished. Wallace, discounting his little political stunt in Tuscaloosa in '63, was without question the best governor the state ever had though it can be argued Graves comes close.

 Here is a man who while a dictator who stamped his will on the state, was also someone who made it possible for hundreds of thousands of Alabamians to get an affordable education beyond high school, who created a mental health system that national experts recognize as second to none, who brought many jobs that paid well enough that Alabamians could stay in Alabama and who at least, during his tenure, kept Alabama industrialized so we could have a vitalized and prosperous middle class.

 Alabama would have been much worse off without Wallace and the truth is, we are the party of Wallace, we owe our majority to the fact that Wallace once dominated the state, and I would say that we are far ahead of states that surround us because of Wallace. I just wish Wallace could have forced through a lottery or casino gambling while he ran the legislature by fiat.



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AGAIN, this is about people who were in power (4.00 / 1)

in Alabama DECADES ago.

We're talking about what's happening in Montgomery now.  Or what's not happening.

Silly me... I really don't think it's in Sparks' best interest to run as the good old boy candidate who's a hard-drinking, womanizer (because, after all, that's what Montgomery politicians DO and we shouldn't expect better behavior), who will be a (to use your term) "dictator who stamped his will on the state."

Good heavens, jacool, do you really believe the stuff you've been spouting the last couple of days?

 



I'm not short.  I'm fun size!!

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You cannot be serious! (4.00 / 1)
I would say that we are far ahead of states that surround us because of Wallace.

In what way exactly are we far ahead of the states that surround us?



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I understand your point but... (4.00 / 2)
Wallace permanently damaged this state's national reputation, not just with that one stunt but with his constant racist rhetoric.  Everyone who actually knows Alabama history knows that Wallace was not nearly as racist in his actions as he was with his words.  Indeed, he did a lot of stuff behind the scenes that ran counter to the racism he constantly spouted and, of course, at the end he tried to make amends and run as a racial progressive.  Nonetheless, he did not do nearly enough to actual improve the lives of blacks or whites in poverty in the state.  I don't understand your point at the end though: we are still ahead of Mississippi and maybe Louisiana and Arkansas, but we are unfortunately behind Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida in nearly every quantifiable metric.

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I'm responding to this comment (4.00 / 2)
Through this diary.

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Please check and recalibrate your Spin-O-Meister (4.00 / 1)

Maybe somebody dropped it when your back was turned and the delicate springs are all sprung and the little tiny gears are stripped and cattywampus.

That's just my hypothesis, but there's obviously something bad wrong if it's telling you that running as a Democrat in the mold of Wallace will be a winner for 2010.

You need to get that thing fixed ASAP, man, before it advises you to bring sheets to campaign rallies.



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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (0.00 / 0)

At least Davis is married as compared to Sparky and his lack of anything that resembles self respect.  I wish the Davis team would listen to me and pray that Sparky throws a rock so he can finished off without remorse.  He better keep his head low and hope he survives this race with his name intact.  Better yet, why not come up with a plan that isn't 100% based on gambling because his stump speech is becoming a sign of mental instability.



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I don't believe I ever "pushed rumors" that Sparks was married 3 or 4 times (0.00 / 0)

The only discussion of his personal life/divorce I can find is on this thread.  Three marriages were mentioned, but not by me.  I stick by what I said at the time:

Ron Sparks and friend at 2008 DNCA couple of years ago I heard he was unmarried -- my thought was he's kind of old to be un- (I assumed never) married.  Later someone told me he had kids from a previous marriage so that made more sense.  Then last year a friend who was at the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver was going on about having spoken at length to Ron Sparks' wife there.  Cognitive dissonance!  Based on the description, I believe she meant the woman next to him in the photo at right -- who is (I think) a girlfriend, and from what others say, a girlfriend of somewhat long standing.  His campaign bio makes no reference to any marriage at all, just to children and grandchildren.

Honestly, it just never ocurred to me that his marital status or history would be of interest, but maybe it's something we should ask about, if only to clear up the confusion.

You also mentioned looking Sparks up on alacourt on that thread and finding there was nothing to the multiple marriage rumors.  Since most of us don't have the dough to access alacourt, how about posting what you did find, to put the kibosh on the rumor.  I'm a little surprised you found anything at all because a long while back a friend, who is a Sparks supporter, mentioned that Ron Sparks had "had the good sense to have his divorce records sealed" before running for governor.



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You can't link Alacourt results to someone without a password. (0.00 / 0)

And quite honestly, took the little snit part about

Since most of us don't have the dough to access alacourt, how about posting what you did find, to put the kibosh on the rumor.

as a direct slap at my personal veracity about a matter of public record, as I clearly said what I'd found. (Not to mention, how do you "post" nothing?) The number of the DeKalb County Circuit Clerk's office is 256-845-8525. Knock yourselves out checking. And quite frankly, the reason I didn't reply in that thread, is that my anger at the insult to my integrity, probably would have led my reply to center on a discussion of the intellect and/or bona fides of so-called progressives who support a candidate for governor who is clearly a Business Council puppet in Alabama, and who would never have made it to Congress had he not joined himself at the hip with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Lieberman, and AIPAC in 2002. And while you didn't mention the number of marriages, you were clearly toting water for the DINO, as you said

Is it possible these groups also fear a Sparks nomination, and for some reason beyond ALFA?  We've all accepted that the Davis fear is based on skin color, the old "He'll drag the whole party down" concern but while we've laughed about the search for Anybody but Davis or Sparks by Montgomery insiders, the fear of Sparks doesn't have a good place to hang its hat.  It doesn't seem rational, and the Montgomery insiders may be self-serving, but they're seldom irrational.  Perhaps we should ask ourselves if they know something we don't know?  I can buy the fear that Alabama voters will become racists in the voting booth (don't necessarily accept that it's true, but I can understand the fear) but if the Montgomery crowd wants a non-black gubernatorial candidate, what the hell is wrong with Sparks?  What is his Achille's [sic] heel?

We should have pursued that question last spring, I think.

 (emphasis added) Now, I'm going to chill by watching a few minutes of the Puppy Bowl on Animal Planet.



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I don't need a link ... (0.00 / 0)
I totally trust you to cut and paste.  Not doubting your veracity at all, but showing people the "nothing" is always more convincing than just saying "there's nothing there."  And you have to admit, 99.9% of Alabamians don't have access to alacourt.

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Both campaigns should stick to the issues if fine with me. (4.00 / 1)

The Republicans will not just stick to the issues and will make up much out of nothing. If there is any smoke, it should be investigated. I have heard about possible domestic violence issues with Sparks. I wish someone could get police reports if they exist. It is better to know if Sparks is fine as a candidate or will put another Riley in the Governor's office. I am not just being obnoxiously curious about Sparks. I feel the future of Alabama is at stake. Narcissistic folks are drawn to politics, the ones who have no self esteem but feel they can get away with anything, that the rules do not apply to everyone.

I don't want the Republicans getting a free ride anywhere. I have already seen what Bush accomplished. 



That is silly.... (0.00 / 0)

Do you also wish that someone could get Davis' former male sex partners on the record "if they exists"?



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No, it is not silly. (4.00 / 1)
Think like a Republican instead of a rather pricipled Democrat. If there is a hint of scandal, they make up a story and put it on TV. They are  better at this than we are. They fabricate based on anything. If Sparks' divorce was sealed, they will make up a story about abuse. I wish he would open them up. As for Davis, my spouse was rumored to have had a sexual relationship with a former Governor. I was warned in advance, however; anonymous faxes were sent out to Auburn University and other areas in the state. The same will happen to Davis.

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Shame on you! (4.00 / 1)
Making this type of comment in an attempt to tarnish a candidate running against someone you support....Rovian tactics do not help Sparks or any other candidates.  Shame on you!

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Gayla, who am I supporting? (4.00 / 1)

I have donated to both Davis and Sparks. I am still on the fence. I will vote for the Democratic nominee. Who am I tarnishing? I am simply telling the truth as I see it. If you think I am against Davis, you are simply incorrect. I am simply pointing out things that occurred in the not too distant past and predicting the future based on them. I would like to know why you think I am against one candidate or the other.

I am trying to think like a Republican would-about all the nasty things people do that can became public when it is too late. You lost me with your comment. Enlighten me. 



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Sundog, Gayla wasn't replying to your comment (4.00 / 1)
It can be hard to tell with the way threaded comments show up here.  If you want to double-check, click "parent" underneath her comment to make sure.

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Sundog, (0.00 / 0)
As Kathy pointed out (thank you, Kathy), I was not directing that at you.  I apologize, since that wasn't clear....

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Thanks very much for the clarification. (4.00 / 1)
I thought I was in the Twilight Zone.

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Do do do do do do do (the the theme song) (4.00 / 1)


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Excuse me, if police reports exist for any of our candidates I hope someone releases them (0.00 / 0)

Ditto for the Repubs.  That's the sort of thing voters ought to know about -- before primaries, not after.  That was the original point of this post.  And I for one don't have faith that the media in this state will make the effort to present the facts in a timely fashion.

I'm not buying either your rumor that Davis is gay or jacool's concern that Ron Sparks is an abuser, but surely you aren't suggesting some kind of equivalence between "gayness" and "domestic abuser" in terms of fitness for public office?

 



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I don't think that at all.... (4.00 / 2)
I just don't think this is proper venue to push totally unverified information.  When someone pulls a Fox News and says "well we should find these police reports for a nonexistent event if they exist," they are consciously pushing a rumor.  I was trying to illustrate the stupidity of such a position, especially when held against such a ridiculous double standard.  That is all.

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I don't think Davis is gay nor should it disqualify him if he were... (0.00 / 0)

nor is it "my rumor;" it has been around for a long time.  I'm sure you've heard it.  Apparently, Ron Sparks is the subject of some rumors that predate this comment thread. The point of the commenter was that we should post any rumor we heard on the off chance that some police report might exist somewhere because GOPers might use it against us.  My point was that if unverified information about Sparks should be posted, Davis would receive the same treatment and both candidates might just end up unelectable based on unfounded rumors.

If Ron Sparks did in fact abuse his wife, I would not vote for him.  Period.  Spousal abuse is a disgusting acted committed by depraved individuals.  It's an automatic disqualifier in my book.

I fully support gay rights.  I support marriage equality.  I support the immediate repeal of DADT and DOMA.  I look forward to the day when every gay Alabamian enjoys the full legal benefits of citizenship.  But if I found out tomorrow that Artur Davis was in fact gay, I would not vote for him either.  Not because he is gay; I would love to see a progressive gay governor of this state.  But because he would have a) engaged in a sham marriage apparently to promote his political career.  That in itself would have been deeply unfair to his wife, himself, and his constituents.  B) He has fought against gay rights at every turn, despite being in a heavily Democratic district and enjoying the power of incumbency.  Don't try to sell me that "but Southern blacks are all homophobes" crap, either.  John Lewis has stood up for gay rights repeatedly while representing a nearly identical district.  To me, a gay candidate with a record and a personal life like Davis's would be no different than a black candidate making themselves appear white and railing against civil rights just to win some elections. 



[ Parent ]
I know I can't be the only person here who remembers (4.00 / 2)

Larry Darby running in the Democratic primary for attorney general in 2006.  Personally, I'd like to see the state party vet candidates a bit more carefully.

(No, I don't know anything about anyone's personal life, and I don't much care, but we've already seen that Republicans are willing to attack Democrats on "family values" even when they have none of their own.)



Amen! (0.00 / 0)
Darby was an embarrassment.  I think the AlaDems are making a real effort to be more careful now.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Joe Reed's doing (0.00 / 0)

And as long as we require the taxpayers of Alabama to pick up the tab for the primary elections then any resident of Alabama who is duly qualified by minimum requirements to run for office and who pays the qualifying fee deserves to be allowed to run in whatever primary we want.

 That's why I oppose any effort to unseat Grimsley. True, I do feel that kicking off Grimsley cedes the race to Wallace when he could defeat Wallace as a Democrat. However, as a more practical matter, both parties have the state of Alabama and the county governments pay for the primaries. I'm sorry, but in a situation like that neither party has any right to kick anyone off the ballot. Not as long as the elections are run with taxpayer money. It's a clear case of equal protection under the law.



[ Parent ]
Somebody would win, sure (4.00 / 1)

because when two Republicans run against each other the winner will be a Republican.

I do feel that kicking off Grimsley cedes the race to Wallace when he could defeat Wallace as a Democrat.

The winner of that contest wouldn't be the Democratic Party or the state.

Sure your support of Grimsley has nothing to do with your intense admiration for Big Jim & Little Jim (Grimsley's a big buddy of Folsom) and apparent loyalty to the entrenched power structure in Montgomery?

Anybody can run for any office?  Party bylaws be damned, huh?

 

 



I'm not short.  I'm fun size!!

[ Parent ]
Why even have parties? (0.00 / 0)

Why not just have an open primary with the top 2 vote getters meeting in a runoff?

 



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Step away for a minute a good fight breaks out! (4.00 / 1)

My Daddy says find a good fight and jump in it so here I come! YeeHaww!

Disatrous primary outcome in Illinois--could it happen in Alabama you ask?  You Betcha it can.  But not because of the gutter politics of personal destruction, gossip and skeletons, because democrats are ready, willing and able to write off the black vote. Who, as mooncat once correctly  noted are the most loyal base of the democratic party. 

You know there is something wrong when the only serious African American candidate for the 5th district Congressional seat is a republican.

You know there is something wrong when a real progressive democratic candidate doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning the approval of the liberal elite over a republican lite candidate.

You know there is something wrong when the African American democratic gubernatorial candidate throws the traditional democratic base under the bus and panders to the right wing conservatives for political gain.

If democrats don't WTFU, not only what happened in IL, but what happened in VA and MA will happen in AL.  Keep on pandering to the right at the expense of the traditional base and see what happens.  Keep on throwing the most loyal voters of the party under the bus.  Keep taking black folks, women, LBGT's and unions for granted.

The following are must reads for the liberal elite, democratic operatives and Big Donkey's in the State of Alabama.

Why Coakley lost and what black people have to do with it.

It’s really that simple. It’s not the economy, stupid. At least for Democrats – there’s something more to consider: It’s the African-American voter, stupid.

Coakley ignored black voters at her own peril.

However, the real conversation is not about what Republicans are doing, but what the Democrats are not doing. Specifically, there is an urgency to discuss why we in the black community continue to allow white Democrats that take us for granted. The recent "light skinned with no Negro dialect" comments made by Sen. Harry Reid don't help the situation either. Hopefully Coakley's loss will be a wake-up call for the Democratic party because black folks are certainly starting to wake-up to them.

If democrats would rather lose than stand up for the rights of minorities, women, LBGT's, and labor they we(collective) will continue to lose.  Strike that, we(collective) will deserve to lose.

All White is Not Right.  Pun intended.

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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