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Davis Draws a Crowd at Official Campaign Kickoff

by: mooncat

Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 20:37:55 PM CDT


361 days before the June 1, 2010 primary, Rep. Artur Davis kicked off his campaign to be the first black governor of Alabama in Birmingham's Linn Park before a crowd of 500 people.  There will be more on this later, but 500 people strikes me as a very good crowd.  I did some googling and found that a Lucy Baxley rally drew a crowd of 100 supporters on September 29, 2006, a mere 39 days before the general election.

Here are a couple of excerpts.  We don't hear this kind of thing nearly often enough in Alabama.

No matter what you think of what Alabama used to be, no matter what you think of what some people outside of Alabama say about our state, the Alabama we have now is the new one, the best one we've ever had and the one that's going to take us places we've never been ...

I will give you a governor and an administration that believes Alabama is ready for the 21st century and I will give you a governor who understands ... that the key to leadership is looking off in the distance and pointing at the horizon and saying that the horizon that seems so far off is not so distant. 

The forces that we're having to contend with ... they won't have the nerve to tell you they don't believe in progress, everybody says they believe in progress.  But what they will tell you is that progress is not for us, it's for our children.  They will tell you that progress is for some other point, some distant time called someday.  Ladies and gentlemen, this will be a campaign that will tell you that we can claim the future now and we're ready for progress not at some distant point, not later but right now in 2010.  

Video from the Davis YouTube channel is on the flip.

mooncat :: Davis Draws a Crowd at Official Campaign Kickoff

              

Part 2 of Artur Davis' kickoff speech is here.  It's even better.

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A lot about the guy is starting to impress me. (4.00 / 1)
Unless somebody else shows me something...

A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead  


It's scary (0.00 / 0)
Listening to him, sometimes I just think, "Are you real?  Can anyone who says things like this, who proposes wholesale change like this, be running for governor in Alabama?"  It's counter to everything we've come to expect.

Work harder and work smarter!

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Is he a candidate from (4.00 / 1)

An alternate universe?



"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

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not even close to 500 people there; but was a good crowd (4.00 / 1)

very diverse and a good cross section of Alabama - demographically

i would put it somewhere closer to 250-300 which is still impressive.

 

 



This is interesting, for an event a year out from the primary. (0.00 / 0)

Apparently, it wasn't a wholly supportive crowd.  These images are from The Montgomery Advertiser. Puzzled yuppies in the background.

 

I am wondering who was behind this.  We've known Davis has a lot of potential sharp knives waiting for him in the black community, from his campaigns against Hilliard, if from no other source. 



The Dream That Ain't Gonna Happen (4.00 / 1)
So as a yankeelostinalabama, I have a question:  Does this mean that our certain future is another white republican governor?  I'd love to see Alabama change, but this is a dream that ain't gonna happen.

Davis (4.00 / 1)

As a pragmatic progressive, I am thrilled with the Davis candidacy. It suggests a social and cultural shift of epic proportions in the Alabama voting citizenry, in my lifetime.

As a liberal, a speech riddled with religious overtones and references makes me extremely uncomfortable. As in some of the fantastic LiA interviews, Davis candidly admits he is not so popular with the left-wing Democrats, and has voted on issues reflecting his faith, and the faith of his constituency.

Public professions of faith at political events is a failure to seperate personal choice from public matters. Large groups of people are not church-meetings. It will be interesting to watch if the "God" stuff is also tailored to his audience. If Davis is just pandering, I can amusedly tolerate that. After all, aren't they all really just salesmen after all? 

Can we not have "freedom from religion" in our candidates?



Do you want (4.00 / 1)
The Democrat of your dreams or do you want a Democrat you can elect?

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


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Who says they can't be one and the same? - n/t (0.00 / 0)


Work harder and work smarter!

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Alabama voters (0.00 / 0)


Dale Jackson: The de facto leader of the Republican Party in North Alabama

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They can and will be (4.00 / 1)
when their views and positions are representative of the views and positions of the majority of Alabama voters. However I think you would admit Alabama isn't there as of now.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


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Personally... (4.00 / 2)
I will vote for the Democrat who can win--because my morals and principles are relativistic.

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That was the attitude of Hillary supporters (0.00 / 0)
and we all know how that worked out.

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Yes... (0.00 / 0)
Hillary now works for the real Democrat in the contest. The one whose supporters had conviction!

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not completely (0.00 / 0)

I know a number of Hillary supporters locally who were absolutely convinced that she was the best candidate.  For them, it wasn't a decision about who was the most electable.  No, it was based on intense admiration and respect for the candidate.

I didn't agree with their conclusion, but I can't fault their loyalty and hard work.

That said, there there were a lot of people -particularly the big money donors - who thought she had it in the bag and wanted to be on the winning team.



I'm not short.  I'm fun size!!

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Of crowds and other numbers (4.00 / 1)

"Obama won the Presidency, which proves Davis can be elected Governor" is a complete nonstarter.  As I have said before, I am looking for rational, reality-based arguments about why and how Davis can win. I am really open to them.  But, as I have noted before, Obama won the Presidency in New York, California, and Ohio.  He got his clock cleaned in Alabama, with scores of thousands of white, traditionally Democratic voters, showing they weren't ready to step beyond the state's history and vote for a black candidate. (e.g., 93%-white Jackson County, 30.7% for Obama after 51.7% for Gore in 2000 and 42.8% for Kerry in 2004. The Gore-to-Obama dropoff was over 3400 votes in Jackson County alone, and it's not a big county.)  I wish these voters didn't vote the way they do, but I also know a Democratic nominee cannot win statewide without them.  As for any error on the part of Clinton '08 supporters, and its bearing on Davis's prospects in an Alabama 2010 general, I am skeptical.  "Obama can't win" was a logical argument for them to make, but the fact remains, we Democrats could probably have nominated anyone but Drew Peterson and beaten McCain. In fact, as I noted elswhere, if the economy and Sarah Palin hadn't simultaneously imploded ... 

By way of another note, I was going to see if any illumination of the variances in crowd estimates might be obtained by checking other media sources.  From what I can tell online, the Davis "kickoff" was not covered by AP, or the New York Times Newspapers (The Tuscaloosa News, the Florence Times-Daily, and The Gadsden Times, which share state political coverage).  The Montgomery Advertiser gave the same crowd number as The Birmingham News.  If any of the four Birmingham network TV affiliates covered the event, it didn't make their websites.



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Varience in crowd estimate from another source (0.00 / 0)

From my inbox;

Artur Davis kicked off his campaign for governor-again.

Artur, draws his first protesters less than 500 attended his rally , the people came to hear  Ruben studdard , here are the facts the homeless are fed @ noon which mean at lease 150 were homeless that are in the park every day, there were at lease 30 protesters  that make  it around 180   ..sad showing ,wonder why only abc 33/40 interviewed and posted some of the protesters  comments

Thanks to the media we have I don't know how many people were there.  

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Whoa! Some Hill-raisers really thought she was the best... (4.00 / 2)
until somewhere around Super Tuesday, when she pandered to McCain.

A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead  


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Religion (4.00 / 1)

From the news

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/06/huckabee-gingrich-urge-political-engagement-va-beach

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee urged Christians to get involved in politics to preserve the presence of religion in American life. "I think this is one of the most critical moments in American history," Gingrich said. "We are living in a period where we are surrounded by paganism." They and other speakers warned about the continuing availability of abortion, the spread of gay rights, and attempts to remove religion from American public life and school history books. 

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee urged Christians to get involved in politics to preserve the presence of religion in American life.

"I think this is one of the most critical moments in American history," Gingrich said. "We are living in a period where we are surrounded by paganism."

They and other speakers warned about the continuing availability of abortion, the spread of gay rights, and attempts to remove religion from American public life and school history books.

"I am not a citizen of the world," said Gingrich, who was first elected to the U.S. House from Georgia in 1978 and served as speaker from 1995 to 1999. "I am a citizen of the United States because only in the United States does citizenship start with our creator."

Huckabee urged his listeners to get engaged in public life or their views won't matter.

"Politicians aren't interested in pleasing the public," he said. "They're interested in pleasing voters."



Did I miss some cataclysm? (0.00 / 0)

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee urged Christians to get involved in politics to preserve the presence of religion in American life.

Christians haven't been involved in politics?   Since when?



Work harder and work smarter!

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Nobody stands up for pagans? (4.00 / 1)

Where's my pandering? Or am I considered an insignificant minority?

Actually, latest statistics show @15% of Americans are self-descibed as agnostics and atheists. They have to be  the most tolerant major minority in the country!

Davis is obviously choosing not to represent pagans, suspiciously a base tactic of the opposition. I prefer clear lines, not homogeneous blending. Who's supposed to get the pagan vote?

Maybe in the next year Davis can demonstrate a big tent for the Liberals in the Party. I know his GOP rival won't.

And if you want to get real literal about paganism, wouldn't worshipping 2000-5000 year old warlike desert-nomad teachings qualify in the 21st Century as paganism? 



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impressive event (4.00 / 1)

I did atttend the Davis event and I am not a good crowd counter, but it would not surprise me if the total crowd that came through approached 500 total, although there were not as many there when he actually spoke. Anything close to that number is impressive, though, given that the election is a long time away and given that people in Birmingham don't come out for non Barack Obama political events.

It is obvious that Davis is rapidly becoming a better outdoor stump speaker. I used to think that he was excellent in a civic group, more intellectual setting, but not so good in a more grassroots outdoor setting.  He is learning to do the more forceful more passionate style you need on the stump.

It is also a big deal that Davis is the only candidate in this race other than Roy Moore frankly who is inspiring a base of people, and the Davis group is a lot more diverse.  I assume Davis did this unnecessary event to make a point to the Sparks and Cobb crowd (is there still a Cobb crowd?) that he is a public and media draw and that he has an enthusiastic following.    



Even President Obama's detractors, (4.00 / 1)

I believe, will have to concede that his orations during his campaign were a determining factor in his being elected. I believe that Davis’s oratorical skills surpass that of Obama’s because, as far as I could determine from viewing the 2 videos, Davis didn’t have to rely on Teleprompters. 

But Davis has a problem in doing what he said he will do if elected. He may use the bully-pulpit as no other governor has ever done, but his power as governor is far weaker than that of our state legislature. If voters don’t become less apathetic and apply sufficient pressure on enough legislators to make them fall in line with what Davis proposes we will continue to have the status quo on Goat Hill.



"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...."      Hosea 4:6

I have heard Davis and Obama speak at the same event... (4.00 / 1)
with no teleprompters and Obama blew Davis out of the water.  Davis is a good public speaker but Obama is among the best orators of our age.

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And if Davis gets this democratic nomination (4.00 / 1)
I predict there will be several more opportunities to hear both of them speak at the same event!  I totally expect Obama to stomp around AL big time if the polling shows Davis has a chance.

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If Davis wants him (4.00 / 1)
Do you think Davis will?

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


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I do think he will want Obama to campaign for him. (4.00 / 1)
I know that is not conventional wisdom, but these are not conventional times. Those people who HATE Obama will probably never vote for Davis. Those who are middle of the road or supportive of Obama will be energized and could create a huge GOTV.

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Do you mean ... (0.00 / 0)

GOP ex Congressman J.C. WattsThe 60.4% of Alabama voters who "HATE" Obama - or at least refused to vote for him, despite the irrefutable evidence of a failed decade of Republican policy? Or the whopping 38.8% of 2008 general voters who were"supportive" enough of Obama to vote for him?

If Davis has any realistic chance of winning the general - and I am not sure he does - he's going to have to run well to the right of Obama, or his vote won't be much more than Obama's 38.8%.  To a large extent, he's already doing this, with much of his rhetoric sounding little different from that of Business Council Byrne's.  And you don't open ideological distance from someone by having them repeatedly come into the state to campaign for you. However, Davis may have few qualms about that if, as I suspect, he views his gubernatorial campaign as a Hail Mary pass. If the pass connects, he makes history.  If it doesn't, he has a parachute in the form of a likely spot in the first Obama cabinet vacancy, while the rest of us are left to deal with the Republican legislature he helped create.  Which raises the related question: what good does it do us, if, in order to win, our nominee has to posture himself as the former Sooner quarterback here pictured?



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Even SurveyUSA has Obama sitting on 48/49 (4.00 / 2)

approve/disapprove now.  Polls from the Davis camp show ir even higher.  You have to admit that Obama was particularly ill-suited for Alabama.  It wasn't his race, at least it wasn't just his race.  James Fields, a progressive black Democrat who knows how to win white voters in Cullman County no less, spoke about how a black presidential candidate with Obama's skills and positions could have performed much better in Alabama with a different name and a different background (ie foreign culturally Muslim father).  James said if his name was John Smith and his father had been from Kansas too, he would have had a much better shot at winning Alabama.  

Conversely, McCain was particularly well-suited to Alabama.  He was socially conservative with legit reformist credentials and he had a very compelling personal story.  Veterans tend to do very well in Alabama politics.  We have one of the highest percentages of military members and veterans in the country and every one of those people has family and extended family that look up to them.  The matchup of a former POW who wasn't a far right crazy against a former community organizer from Chicago who might be a "secret Muslim" was too much for a lot of older yellowdogs.  Too many people in the state bought into the rumormongering that went on and I am sad to say too many of them were older yellowdog Democrats.  I would bet big money that almost all the dropoff from 2000 to 2008 in predominantly white counties came from older folks.  The good thing is that - now that they've seen Obama in action he has laid their concerns to rest - I think he will perform much better in 2012.



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I'd be much more interested in your comments (4.00 / 1)

which, by and large, are very cogent and thought out, if they weren't just anti-Davis.    That meme gets repetitive and I find myself scanning after a point instead of reading closely.

You've made the points that you aren't fond of Davis and don't think he can win.

Fine.

Now it's time to move on.  Please.

Tell us who you think can win.  And why.  Spread that message as fervently as you do the anti-Davis.  

We've had a huge amount of Davis coverage at LIA - because he's the one offering us interviews and well campaigning.  I want to know more about Sparks and any other candidates people think will run and/or would like to see run. 

So please jump in - and this is directed at everyone who does nothing but bitch about Davis without touting an alternative - tell everyone who you support and give us a positive reason to fall into line with your candidate. 

We have some strong Davis supporters at LIA, but most aren't dug in for anyone in particular this early.  There's a good opportunity for any candidate to build support.

Issues-based opposition in the primary will strengthen the party and our candidates in the general.

 



I'm not short.  I'm fun size!!

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I would be interested in knowing who you DO support and why. (4.00 / 2)


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Small disagreement - I would have said, "This or any age". (4.00 / 2)

Reagan was all over the landscape - very powerful imagery, but no intellectual content in the Obama style.

FDR- less soaring, less emotionally inspiring, although a great propounder of ideas.

Lincoln - now you're in the ball park.  Ideas, inspiration, but for ability to ftame a discussion and close the sale, I go with the O-man.

Demosthenes?  Ask driq.  I wasn't around then. (Just kidding driq).



A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead  


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Interesting comparison. As for Obama 2008 vs 2012 (4.00 / 2)
I think a lot of possible dem votes went to McCain in 08 because they liked McCain for reasons stated above, and because they were responding to the politics of FEAR. After a couple of years of this administration I don't think they will be quite so afraid, nay even supportive.

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If you are just talking about style... (4.00 / 2)
I absolutely agree.  And I think Obama has the potential to one day be ranked with those guys as an orator, but we haven't enough substantive results to make those claims.  Yet.  Because a truly great orator has to have more to back up his verbiage than hot air.

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I'm not there yet. (4.00 / 2)
I still think Kennedy outdoes him by a hair.  And I think it's quite unfair to compare orators outside the context of their times, i.e. what sounds dramatic and effective now might have been off-putting and crude a century ago.  But President Obama hasn't made produced any majorly dramatic results to go with his soaring oratory apart from his own election.  Yet.

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Demosthenes? (4.00 / 1)
Oh yeah, I remember him as an effeminate guy who was accused of taking sexual advantage of young boys. He became a litigant, a speech writer, and an orator. He was said to speak in long sentences with formal arguments to a harsh and disagreeable excess. He may (I can’t recall everything at my age) have been the guy who walked around with rocks in his mouth to improve his speech. All in all, he would have made the perfect politician in today’s world, except he would have to walk around with rocks in his brain. :-)

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...."      Hosea 4:6

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Well played, driq. (0.00 / 0)


A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead  


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